Monday, April 30, 2012

Shit radical MRAs say about women and feminists

Below are a collection of quotes from men's rights advocates. These people are actually starting to gain the attention of mainstream media and are even protesting against feminism. Even if you aren't for feminism you gotta agree that these guys are fucking creepy:


 "Before I get onto why slut shaming is a worthwhile and honorable pursuit in our society, I just want to quickly rehash why Slutwalk was anti-free speech, pro-irresponsibility, and pro-sexual perversion"
"A warning to others: By publicly calling out a person as a slut one is doing a public service. One is spreading useful information about a person. Men informing other men of a woman’s sluttiness are telling them she might carry STDs, that she’s quite likely to commit paternity fraud, and that she’s a risk of “accidental” pregnancy."
"Publicly shaming sluts teaches them to be more sexually responsible"
                                                        - Jason Sutherland

"There are some good looking women at the SlutWalks. It is an environment where even mediocre looking women, by comparison, can look good enough to be raped."
"C’mon people, Dworkin’s problem wasn’t that she was raped. Her problem, and I mean all along, was that she wasn’t."
"I make the following pledge as an activist, and as an American that believes fully in the rule of law. Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true."
  "Better a rapist would walk the streets than a system that merely mocks justice enslave another innocent man."                                    

"The real reason men and women cant be friends is that women lack moral agency." 
                                                               - Paul Elam


"I believe that today’s man can still restore his dominion in a world that is skewing against his favor by doing one thing: becoming a sexist. He must possess sexist beliefs for three reasons:
  • To have sexual relationships with women who are at least as pretty as he is handsome.
  • To assert his superiority over his female competitors in the workplace by playing the office game as well as they do (e.g. constantly bringing up accomplishments to managers, being outspoken, being two-faced, ass-kissing, and backstabbing).
  • To get laid at all."
" You’ve probably read my thoughts about not listening to a woman about dating or relationships, but now I’ve come to the conclusion that you shouldn’t listen to a woman about anything. I’ve observed almost no cases where a man’s status or position has been increased from following a woman’s advice or opinions, and it’s much more likely for him to be harmed from it."
                                                                - RooshV


 "Though many arguments could be made against women's suffrage, though many arguments could be made against giving women the right to vote, this situation right here provides both empirical and prima facie evidence that women are NOT smart enough to vote; they do not have the mental wherewithal to vote. I mean, come on! How stupid do you have to be to DOUBLE your cursings from God?!"
           "Fourthly, the vast majority of American women ARE sluts!"


                                                -Markymark


 "So if you’ve got great tits, or a pert, round behind, and you’ve put them on display, of course men are going to stare, princess. You might even get a few comments. Also, the difference between creepy and appreciative in those comments exists almost entirely in your mind, and not in the content of the offered commentary."
 "The real reason for slut walk is that women must never be criticized – ever, and the international show of force is a reminder to men, to know their correct station."
                                                 -John the other

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  1. Feminism, like socialism is a failed concept and people need to realize to have any hope for this society.

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  2. Wow, all the guys are calling women "sluts" just by looking at them. And what makes it worse is saying that they have some sort of STD and will get pregnant easily. Well, all because they wear revealing clothes doesn't make them a slut or have STD. Its a shame because girls are being judged by their cover when they can be the nicest person you can meet but you wear those clothes cause they are hand-me-downs from an older sibling...Think people..THINK!!

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  3. Jason,
    Just because a man calls a woman a slut, doesn’t make her one. Unless you’re assuming that men never lie, which is patently false. Besides what exactly is the definition of a slut? Last I heard, it was a woman who would have sex with someone else, but not with you. I also don’t understand why you should care what women do with their own bodies. We’re not asking you to account for your sexual partners.

    Paul,
    What makes you think men rape women because they find them attractive? That’s nothing more than a bad plot out of a cheesy romance novel. Rape is about power, control, anger, entitlement, or revenge. Why would you deliberately perjure yourself as a juror by releasing a man you knew to be guilty? Jurors pledge to “base [their] verdict solely upon the evidence, without prejudice or sympathy.” You would deliberately violate this pledge and then accuse women of lacking moral agency. That would make you a hypocrite.


    Roosh,
    I think most men generally have relationships with women they find attractive. How would you determine if they are equally attractive? Beauty is subjective and always has been as evidenced by how greatly the standards of beauty have changed just in the past century.

    There is nothing wrong with being outspoken in the workplace or with bringing up your accomplishments. In fact, it is women who need to do this more as men are much more comfortable asking for promotions and raises. Ass-kissing, backstabbing, or being two-faced are not acceptable behavior from anyone.

    I think your comment that it is a bad idea to listen to women is a bit too general. Some women give bad advice and should not be listened to, just as some men should not be listened to. The idea that there are “almost no cases where a man’s status or position has been increased from following a woman’s advice” is flawed for a few reasons. First, there are many cases where women have advised men, I can think of many just among my personal friends. Going back in history, there are even more. One famous example is Abigail Adams, she helped John Adams and Thomas Jefferson reconcile after years of bitter political fighting. Did that increase their fame, probably not, but it did make their old age happier. Doesn’t that count for something? Second, leaders such as Queen Elizabeth I, Queen Victoria, or Margaret Thatcher led their country very well. But, here’s the catch, they did so for the sake of the country and for themselves, not to enhance the position of men in their lives and there is nothing wrong with that. Not everything women do needs to directly benefit men. Sometimes it can benefit herself.


    Markymark,
    Female voters have no worse a record for bad decisions then male voters. Also, to deny women the right to vote denies their basic rights of citizenship. Your argument that women are not smart enough is the same argument that was used in the 19th century to keep women in their “separate spheres.” Ironically, they were still entrusted to educate children, the future leaders of the country, but not to vote. Since that time, the idea that women are not as intelligent as men has been disproven time and again.

    What evidence do you have that the majority of American women are sluts? What is your definition of slut?


    John,
    No one is denying you the chance to look at attractive women or to even make appreciative comments. I’m also not denying that some women will interpret any comment as creepy, but most women appreciate a compliment. And, yes, we can tell the difference between a compliment and a creepy comment or between an admiring glance and a lecherous leer.
    I honestly don’t know any women who think women should never be criticized, that’s simply unrealistic. All we ask is that you criticize us as individuals and people, not as a nameless, faceless group called “women.”

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    1. Liz, have I told you lately that I love you?

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  4. I would also watch out for that Aoirthoir guy, he has an article entitled "I hate women, really I do, honest." http://masculinists.net/2011/12/i-hate-women-really-i-do-honest/

    Plus on top of that he thinks its ok if women choose to self identify as "sluts" and (gasp) he's even for abortion! But the way his hate for women really shines through is his insistence that women be forced to be equal, you know by doing things like making their own minds up.

    Watch out ladies, a whole new breed of MRA is here and we're going to hold you to that equality stuff, cause we really believe in it.

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  5. Please add this to your list,and any apology from the feminist for not challenging this idiot is not accepted.
    Mary Daly,an Icon feminist:
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    If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accomplished by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males [by 90%]. People are afraid to say that kind of stuff anymore."
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    1. Why is it that anti-feminist sentiment is often justified by pointing in the direction of really old or dead radical feminists? Anyhow, this isn't about RADICAL feminists and therefore I will not completely address the quote you have posted. This is about radical MRAs. Maybe you can try staying on topic by telling me what you think about the quotes above. Just to be clear, I am not against there being a men's rights movement but it seems the more hate filled sect of it is getting a lot of attention and followers. So i wanted to highlight that.

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    2. There is no defense for a statement like Mary Daly's. However, I also don't know anyone who believes her. Every group has its radicals that are usually fairly quickly shunned. I'd much rather discuss mainstream feminist thought with you.

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  6. Feminism in the guise of liberty for women has destroyed social and cultural fabric of Europe, United States, Russia and other developed countries. In Islamic and oriental societies, women performed a critical function of stabilizing the basic unit of society called family. Women are the crown of creation. Feminism stripped them of all the crowing glory that God bestowed upon them.

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    1. If women are the "crown of creation" why were they treated like property for so long? I'm not asking to be snide, I'm genuinely curious. I hear this argument a lot. It seems that if women are really the crown of creation they should be in charge.

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    2. Its all misandry so far as these guys are concerned I'm afraid. Thanks for commenting :)

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  7. The ultimate goal of feminism has been stated very clear - to attack the root of society, that is, the family and destroy it! Below are extracts of statements by well-known feminists.


    THE PLANNED DESTRUCTION OF THE FAMILY BY FEMINISTS

    “Destroy the family,” as Lenin said, “and you destroy society.” Thereby he merely repeated what Socrates had said before and what Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx put into words. Lenin set out to do just that, hoping that a new society — with the State as the ultimate father — could be constructed.

    “How will the family unit be destroyed? ... the demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare.”
    — Female Liberation, by Roxanne Dunbar.

    “The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together. ... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. ... “Families have supported oppression by separating people into small, isolated units, unable to join together to fight for common interests. ...
    — Functions of the Family,
    Linda Gordon, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969.

    “Feminists have long criticized marriage as a place of oppression, danger, and drudgery for women.”— Is Marriage the Answer?
    by Barbara Findlen, Ms magazine, May-June, 1995

    “[The nuclear family is] a cornerstone of woman’s oppression: it enforces women’s dependence on men, it enforces heterosexuality and it imposes the prevailing masculine and feminine character structures on the next generation.”— Alison Jagger, Feminist Politics and Human Nature

    “The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the male.”
    — Frederick Engels, The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State
    (New York, International Publishers,1942) p.58]

    Read these anti-male statements by notorious feminists:

    Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman. - Andrea Dworkin

    Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience.
    - Catherine Comins, Vassar College

    To be male is to be a kind of idiot savant
    - Germaine Greer

    All men are rapists and that’s all they are
    - Marilyn French

    still,feminists say that they are not doing anything harmful.
    it’s time to not to believe in feminism anymore.

    “I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” – Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan

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  8. “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” – Marilyn French, Author, “The Women’s Room”

    “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor

    “I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.” – Robin Morgan

    “And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism–the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group–skin color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism–the oppressed have no alternative–for they have no power–but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men–but in the short run it’s going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women–kill your fathers, not your mothers.” – Robin Morgan

    “My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” – Marilyn French, in “The Women’s Room”

    *MALE: ... represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants... the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.’ *MAN: ... an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched ... a contradictory baby-man ... *TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... ‘Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from “testosterone poisoning.”

    “Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don’t like it, bad luck — and if you get in my way I’ll run you down.” Signed: Liberated Woman, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9 February 1996

    “No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” Simone de Beauvoir, author of _The Second Sex_, the book that is credited with launching the mainstream of the modern feminist movement —
    Our demand is not for equality. Who wants to be like men! We are trying as women to define ourselves. We not only reject the definitions that men have given us, but reject becoming like men. –From WOMEN OF THE WORLD UNITE — WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR MEN! [In] Notes from the First Year. New York: The New York Radical Women, 1968.

    Renuka Chowdhary - a radical Indian feminist
    “It is men’s turn to suffer” - Renuka Chowdhary on National television speaking about the Domestic Violence Act.
    “It is not such a bad idea, except that I have such pity for men.” - Renuka Chowdhary when Karan Thapar (on a CNN-IBN interview) asked her if she thought that men should first suffer before she considers amendments to check misuse of the law.
    http://www.ibnlive.com/news/act-wont-hit-good-hubbies-renuka/26051-3-6.html

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  9. “The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness...can be trained to do most things.” – Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)
    “To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” – Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

    Boys are immature, guys are jerks, men are rare.”
    “No woman ever falls in love with a man unless she has a better opinion of him than he deserves.”
    “A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.” -Gloria Steinem

    “The perfect man is like the Lochness Monster... they say he exists but no one’s ever seen him!”
    “I think, therefore I am single.”
    “Mr. Right’s coming.. but he’s in Africa and he’s walking!” -Oprah

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  10. India Demands US must stop interference in Indian Family System

    http://www.theindiapost.com/articles/india-demands-us-must-stop-interference-in-indian-family-system/

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  11. India's Notorious Section 498A: Divorce Law as Criminal Law

    http://www.internationalfamilylawfirm.com/2009/03/indias-notorious-section-498a-divorce.html

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  12. MRA's are just an answer to the feminist movement. Feminism has gone too far. It has eroded family values. People aren't even inclined to get married and start a life for themselves and their children anymore. Everyone wants to make the almighty dollar but no one wants to create an almighty strong family anymore. I'm 25, back in the 50s 60s or 70s I would of been married by now with my first kid on the way. NOT ANYMORE THANKS FEMINISM!

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    1. I'm sure the shitty economic situation has nothing to do with it. I'm 28 year old feminist and guess what? I'M MARRIED! I don't want children because I can't afford them and a lot of people feel the same way. In fact, the costs of raising a family have gone up 25% in the past decade but go ahead and blame feminism...

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    2. Feminism is the left hand of capitalism.

      The more women infiltrate working places, the less money men get paid to support a family.

      Men need money to feel safe to support a family.
      Women need time to feel safe to support a family.

      Feminism disrupts both needs, because feminism is inherently lesbian = mother hating, men hating and child hating.

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    3. I defy you to show me this hatred using only information used in the present day.

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    4. Women quotas for example are nothing but hatred against men, just as National-Socialist Aryan quotas were nothing but hatred against Jews.

      Actually ANYTHING from the government specifically designed to help women is nothing but hatred against men because most victims are men (including rape victims) thus ANY help specifically for women is a slap in the face of equal rights.

      You also make another mistake. Nearly all goals of Lesbo-Socialism (= feminism) are already achieved (except the local separation of men and women and some other goals like artificial wombs), for example unfair divorce laws, destruction of family structures, rise of criminality production factories (= mono moms). And one of the biggest Pink Poodles is in the White House and treats men like dirt. Hence there is not too much need anymore to be overly prominent.

      But thank goodness times are changing and men are waking up and see women for what they have become: Competitors and enemies of men.

      So far men didn't care much, because usually women are harmless and female efforts are laughable at best. But now, with women being the enemies of men, the funny times of women will be over.

      Women have been the pampered sex throughout all centuries. I am glad this is changing now because I am for equal rights and equal duties.

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    5. The economic stuation got this way because of feminism as well. Back then when men were in the workforce and women raised the children. The cost of living was affordable to the average working male. Now you need more than two salaries working in a household in order to maintain a nice living. Feminism put everyone to work for the dollar. So now you have to shell out more of those dollars when you're buying groceries, or at the pump, etc.

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    6. Do you have any kind of statistics to back up your claims or is this all anecdotal?

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  13. I completely agree, that the right of stupid people to vote is one of the core design flaws of democracies.

    Since women fail in IQ tests and knowledge tests and perform so much worse than men, the women's right to vote and the influx of women everywhere is one of the root causes why everything goes downhill nowadays:

    * politics
    * economics
    * art
    * schools
    * etc

    Everything is goes downhill because of the insane amount of women having a say in everything. OK, actually that's not entirely true, because actually it's the men's fault since they allow women to do their poisonous harm. But you get the point.

    I do not actually advocate to abolish the women's right to vote. What I advocate is IQ und knowledge tests. Already at IQ 120 you have 2x more men than women. At IQ 140+ it's approx. 5x to 8x more men than women. An IQ and knowledge test would guarantee that nearly all women wouldn't be able to vote anymore.

    HOWEVER, I do not agree with the shaming slut business.

    I believe that it's the biological function of women to be sex objects and family subjects, therefore featuring women as sex objects is completely aligned with nature and humanity. Porn'ization of society is an important aspect in keeping a society free from radical religions and free from man hating ideologies.

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    1. "I believe that it's the biological function of women to be sex objects"

      True, but I believe it's a biological function to objectify anything you're attracted to sexually. Feminist will never understand this. When they look at a David Beckham poster and masturbate fantasizing about him. Just like the little boy who see's Megan Foxx poster and Jerks off to it. We all objectify the preferences we are attracted to.

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    2. Again, any studies or stats to back up your claims? Heaven help you should you decide to use soft science...

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    3. Anyone who thinks that men are smarter than women might want to take a look at this. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/01/22/he-s-not-as-smart-as-he-thinks.html
      "I believe that it's the biological function of women to be sex objects" My foot.

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  15. ... what. What are these responses. They are ridiculous. The best part is that there isn't a single voice saying "Hey, yeah, these guys are pretty radical and out there, and the things they said are disgusting and hurtful to our cause and I personally disagree with them and find them dehumanizing. There are some pretty cool MRAs out there who can debate thoughtfully!" weird.

    But nope, they're just going for the "A WOMAN IN THE 1970's SAID SOMETHING MEAN ABOUT MEN ONCE!" and everybody replies that they personally disagree with those comments and find them dehumanizing and hurtful for everyone, and generally model good behavior for responding to an extremist within a particular movement, yet the commenter thinks they've made a point.

    As you probably know, Trista, educating women and girls, increasing their economic worth, and encouraging safe birth control, is the best way to lift communities out of poverty, reduce child malnutrition and to increase the economic power of the country.

    Of course, I'm only working with cited sources, anti-poverty initiatives, scholarly articles, economics journals and the World Bank, while your other commenters are quoting entirely from the depths of their butthurt that they weren't immediately granted a wife and a job at the age of 18, so there's... there's that, I guess! It's not that certain men are no longer highly competitive in the workplace, or that they have not achieved a solid relationship with a partner they liked. It's because when you educate women, YOU TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM MEN!!!

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    1. Thank you for your awesome, insightful comment.

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    1. Wow you didn't even use any real quotes - just your random opinion. And no they use cherry picked statistics while feminist media can often cite their sources as national statistics - not bullshit like the Kanin report.

      Please find some ACTUAL quotes by feminists or shut the fuck up...

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  17. Small list of feminist quotes to ponder while you look at the tame comments made by MRA's
    “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor
    “To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas
    “I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin
    “Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller
    “The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone
    “In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon
    “The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart
    “Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins
    “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French
    “Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

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    1. Okay so all of these quotes are either complete bullshit (that covers most of them), taken out of context or are highly criticized within the movement. I have actually done blog posts on some of these quotes (complete with citations) dispelling the bullshit behind them. Do yourself a favor and look this shit up before you go around posting misinformation.

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